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1923. 16mm film, cine camera. Hand cranked.

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 2003-02-28
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 $1151
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by Luvantique » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:57 pm

Most ebay sales over the last several years have been in the $200 to $400 range, but the two most recent ebay sales were $522 (for serial number 1) and $588. Very rare, usually appears only every two to three years on ebay.

(Update 2010) Prices continue to climb for this camera. A Victor Cine Camera sold in March 2010 for US $715 on ebay.

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by diser » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:20 am

Seems like this is the new owner of No.1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28248484@N06/2637857815

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by Luvantique » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:42 am

Yes, but I would have had the sales figures either way. I keep track of all sales of the early Victor cameras, early Cine-Kodaks, and other 16mm equipment from the 20's and early 30's. Data for a book on the early history of the 16mm format. I have both the first Victor and the first Cine-Kodak, along with earliest known examples of several other 16's. For my purposes early cameras make good baseline references for the evolution of various models over time, and serial numbers can help to reconstruct production histories.

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by diser » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:33 am

Luvantique, so how's the book doing? Getting close?

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by Luvantique » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:05 am

It's coming along, but it seems that for every question I get answered, two more pop up, so the research is ongoing as I write. I'm planning a trip this fall to look at the Victor archives at the University of Iowa and perhaps by spring, a trip to Rochester to have a first-hand look at some things at Kodak and George Eastman House. There are still holes in the research. I can tell you month and day of first sales for Kodak and Victor, but I'm not even certain of the year for the first Filmo (there are hints that 1923 may not be correct). There are even some interesting holes in 20 years of collected Cine-Kodak Model A serial numbers that need to be resolved. I'm trying to locate the Bell & Howell archive. It existed 15 years ago complete with a library staff, but no one seems to know what became of it. There's a lot to dig up yet, but I have a couple hundred pages on paper so far, and will start working on photographs of the equipment soon. It will be massive when it's done--perhaps 500 to 700 pages with the illustrations and appendices, but it will be a very detailed account of the development, production, and advertising histories and most of the early US-made equipment.

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by diser » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:29 pm

Wow, that's a lot of work! Let me know when you are done, I'll post a note on this site with the link to your book advertisement.

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by Luvantique » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:44 pm

Thanks. I'll do that.

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