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1965. 35mm SLR/rangefinder camera. Very Rare.

Pignons: Alpa 4b camera

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Date
Condition Price
 2002-01-01
 B
 ~$1200
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by MCR » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:06 pm

I have one of these rare gems in excellent condition.
Original lens and case.
Any idea on the value?

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by Madd10 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:58 am

There are hardly any sales (even for the Alpa 4) so very difficult to say. Can you also post some pictures - what is the difference with the Alpa 4 and Alpa 4a ?

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by MCR » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:45 am

Madd10,
What I can find is that from the time Pignons SA - the original ALPA manufacturer - went into bankruptcy (August 1990) to the day when Capaul & Weber bought the ALPA brand (February 1996), many of the many of the drawings and information was mysteriously lost?

The A, B, C, identifications are different series of the same model.
I have searched for hours, and can find little information on the 4b
No sales of any type.

There was a period wartime that Pignons produced very few cameras.
I would like to find some information on the history of the serial numbers, this may tell me more.

Thanks
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by Madd10 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:40 pm

This site lists a sale of a Alpa 4b http://www.peterloy.com/previously-sold.php maybe you can send an email and ask what the selling price was. This is what he has as description.

"Alpa 4b body. Very rare model - only approximately 79 manufactured. c.1965"

If you get a price then it would be interesting if you could post it for future reference.
Thanks.

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by Madd10 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:45 pm

Here is a picture of this camera - it has serial n°42535. the camera is not exactly the same as yours - indeed every camera seems to have been built hand made.
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by diser » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:45 pm

From the BJP:
"The model 4b of 1959 had an instant return mirror, coming third in modern times to the Asahiflex of 1954 and the 1947 Duflex. The model did not catch on, and only a hundred were made."

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by MCR » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:56 pm

I have been looking for information into the logic behind their serial numbers?
Not much information on ALPA's site, as many links are no longer available.
Thanks for all the insight, I want to know more about these cameras.

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by diser » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:53 am

Müller lists it with the approximate value of 375-425€ as of 2004.

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by MCR » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:02 am

This is so confusing?
From what I can find, the lens itself lists for $800- $1000
The leather case is $200-$250
This is why I am reaching out to this forum, as I am not an expert.
Unfortunately, these rare Alps's do not have a lot of commercial resources to call upon.
I guess I need to look deeper into Europe to answer some questions.

I am not so hung up on value, as I am trying to get information on Serial Number History.
The Alpa numbering is not a simple as first one built in #1, second is #2, etc.

Glad you guys are here to help!
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by MCR » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:23 am

Madd10 wrote:This site lists a sale of a Alpa 4b http://www.peterloy.com/previously-sold.php maybe you can send an email and ask what the selling price was. This is what he has as description.
"Alpa 4b body. Very rare model - only approximately 79 manufactured. c.1965"
If you get a price then it would be interesting if you could post it for future reference.
Thanks.


Madd10,
Thanks for the tip.
I asked, Peter Loy did not disclose what he sold the 4B body for, but he did make me a offer on it. (duh)
Your tip also provided me with many links and I am pursuing information in many different directions because of it.
Thanks a Bunch!
What I am looking for is Knowledge and History on things like SN#'s, production, and lens manufactures.
I am not a camera collector, but finding information on these has been a great little hunt.
I am more interested in capturing the information, than selling. Alpa history is as rare as the cameras itself.
Oh, I can find some information, but the deep details are not around. Lots of this information was mysteriously lost during the 6 year period that production had stopped, and a sale of the company was pending
Don't get me wrong, if a serious buyer with some knowledge of the history makes me an offer, I may jump on it.
But for now it is the quest for knowledge I am seeking.
You have been a big help in getting this started.
Thanks again.


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